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RE: Trip lives!!........SPOILERS

JPrestig — Tue, 27 Jun 2006 01:39:48 GMT

That last episode was terrible! Why would they decide to kill of the best actor and the most popular character on the show? It makes no sense-

In the DVD SEasons 1-4 Collection there is a special section devoted to Connor, where the producers praise Connor's acting abilities, and they compare Connor's Star Trek acting ability to that of Brent Spiner.- They are basicaly telling us what we already know- Connor is a very special actor who stands out from the rest of the Enterprise cast- just as Brent Spiner/Data did for Star Trek TNG. Connor/ Connor's character of Trip was the one character that people really liked and related to the most.

So WHy KILL THIS CHARACTER OFF? I could see if they had planned for another season to do the typical - Crewman Daniels- go back in time and fix it thing-whereby Trip wouldnt get fried up- with those aliens. Why not have Malcolm's men do their jobs- instead of Trip having to do 2 jobs- chief engineer and security guy. Ths way -one of the red shirt- security guys could get fried and Trip would be saved!! YEH

They could have done an old sling shot around the sun/ go back in time maneuver- as in the old Star Trek series.

It could also have just been T'Pol missing her relationship wih Trip and hence the last episode could have been T'Pols nightmare.

If they needed to kill off a charater-Why not kill off one who's demise would not enrage so many fans of Connor/Trip. Maybe kill of Shran- who was actualy a guest character anyway- no big loss there. If a main charater had to die- Why not Hoshie?, simply because her character was one of the least developed ones on the show??

I guess TV is basically just like real life-

When something is clear and makes sense- The opposite always happens.

(JPrestig)

RE: Trip lives!!........SPOILERS

Q of the Continuum — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 01:26:06 GMT

[quote][b]Hreod (6/7/2006)[/b][hr][quote][b]Q of the Continuum (6/7/2006)[/b][hr]

Having said that, if I read this book where 'Trip Lives' then it might be the 'undo' button for TATV and make me feel better about the closure of Enterprise. Well anything is possible.:)[/quote]

Nope, it certainly won't do that. Apart from a weird prologue and epilogue in which it's clear Trip is alive until old age, there's nothing to undo TATV, and no explanation of why or how he's still alive. The book concentrates on the supposed animosity between the MACOs and the Starfleet crew - and in doing so makes the MACOs look like a bunch of macho reckless idiots. I kept on reading in the hopes that something - anything - would become clear eventually, but alas no.

I will, of course, buy any Enterprise books that are published - anything to show TPTB the fans are still there - but I don't hold out any great expectations for the literary merits of Trek books these days. Even when they have a good author too often the books are churned out with far too little attention to detail and often with inexusable canon errors. And the actual quality of the writing can be cringe-worthy.

I did quite enjoy What Price Honour, largely because it was a Malcolm story. But again, it concentrated too much on the lead character and on one of the author's original characters. And the plot was confusing to say the least - or possibly just not well explained. The author David Stern is clearly an Enterprise fan - he also wrote Deadalus - but does seem to only be able to write for one character at a time rather than for the ensemble cast.

JM Dillard on the other hand, who I though was supposed to be a good and experienced Trek author, made a right hash of Surak's Soul with major canon errors throughout - and by turning Malcolm into a wealthy landower, both in London and South America, she seems to think that British must mean landed gentry![/quote]

I think after reflecting on your comments, I should steer well clear of Trek books!!! LOL. I think one of the aspects that has put me off in the past is that they tend to be inconsistent with the series, and like you say, arn't always very well written. I think for safety sake, and if not for sanity sake, I should contently dwell in riveting titles such as 'Database Design and Programming', 'Dummies Guide to Microsoft Access 2003', 'Microsoft Excel 2003 Bible', and 'SQL for Boring People'. At least nobody meets their demise or encounters a resurrection in such books!:) Thanks for the advice!:)

RE: Trip lives!!........SPOILERS

Hreod — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 06:01:54 GMT

[quote][b]Q of the Continuum (6/7/2006)[/b][hr]

Having said that, if I read this book where 'Trip Lives' then it might be the 'undo' button for TATV and make me feel better about the closure of Enterprise. Well anything is possible.:)[/quote]

RE: Trip lives!!........SPOILERS

DomCat — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 02:53:00 GMT

I like the "What price honor" book - because it's all about Malcolm and a dilemma he faces......it's a good read!

RE: Trip lives!!........SPOILERS

Q of the Continuum — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 01:52:38 GMT

Sadly, I don't always have the luxury of time to read 'lesiure' books but I might make the effort! I used to do a great deal of reading novels and you've inspired me.

Is there one particular book that anyone recommends I read? (Perferably Enterprise or ST related).:)

Having said that, if I read this book where 'Trip Lives' then it might be the 'undo' button for TATV and make me feel better about the closure of Enterprise. Well anything is possible.:)

RE: Trip lives!!........SPOILERS

Hreod — Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:08:41 GMT

[quote][b]parisamour (6/6/2006)[/b][hr
I have not managed to read or even find the sequel, but i got the impression that it focuses more on the rest of the Enterprise crew.[/quote]

Well they're in it at least!

RE: Trip lives!!........SPOILERS

Bajor_Ron — Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:21:19 GMT

There are a few good ones, though. I like Diane Duane's "Rihannsu" series, not exactly ST canon but quite interesting. I love Andy Robinson's "A Stitch in Time", Garak's story, written by the actor who played him (and very well written as well). I shun everything Christie Golden and I have totally given up on episode novelizations. Watch the ep or read the script, that's much better!

RE: Trip lives!!........SPOILERS

parisamour — Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:19:42 GMT

[quote][b]Hreod (6/5/2006)[/b][hr][quote][b]parisamour (6/5/2006)[/b][hr]I have read the book Daedalus....which was really good and very Trip heavy, but is it the same story as an episode of the same name?..........not having that season yet i do not know..[/quote]

Nope, nothing to do with the episode.

I've read this book too, or at least most of it. I found the overwhelming Trip emphasis to be a major fault, and the reason I only skimmed through the sequel. I'm fine with a story featuring one main character, but not to the exclusion of all the others. To me that's poor writing, in a novel at any rate.[/quote]

I have not managed to read or even find the sequel, but i got the impression that it focuses more on the rest of the Enterprise crew.

RE: Trip lives!!........SPOILERS

Q of the Continuum — Tue, 06 Jun 2006 01:51:46 GMT

I only have one Star Trek Novel, which for me, is pretty surprising. I do a lot of reading but they are more work related books and journals. Anyway, the book I have is called 'A Time to Hate' which is more TNG than Enterprise. From whats been said, I think I will be avoiding any further novels based on Trek. The cancellation of Enterprise already left things on a bad note - don't want to rub salt in the wound by reading a crappy book.:) The last novel I read was 'The Wishing Tree' by James Buxton which I picked up at a car boot!!! It was really good.:)

RE: Trip lives!!........SPOILERS

Hreod — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 13:51:06 GMT

[quote][b]parisamour (6/5/2006)[/b][hr]I have read the book Daedalus....which was really good and very Trip heavy, but is it the same story as an episode of the same name?..........not having that season yet i do not know..[/quote]

Nope, nothing to do with the episode.

I've read this book too, or at least most of it. I found the overwhelming Trip emphasis to be a major fault, and the reason I only skimmed through the sequel. I'm fine with a story featuring one main character, but not to the exclusion of all the others. To me that's poor writing, in a novel at any rate.

RE: Trip lives!!........SPOILERS

parisamour — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 06:51:54 GMT

I have read the book Daedalus....which was really good and very Trip heavy, but is it the same story as an episode of the same name?..........not having that season yet i do not know..

RE: Trip lives!!........SPOILERS

Bajor_Ron — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:47:03 GMT

Well, I will not say I am too surprised since what you describe, Hreod, is a more or less general trend with Star Trek novels. There are a few good ones, but overwhelmingly more really bad ones, IMHO. I used to write reviews of Star Trek novels for our fanclub but I stopped doing that when I realized how bad some of these really were.

I find it a good thing that these are not considered "canon".

RE: Trip lives!!........SPOILERS

Hreod — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:37:29 GMT

[quote][b]Q of the Continuum (6/4/2006)[/b][hr][quote][b]Lekha (6/2/2006)[/b][hr]

It would be interesting to see how the books have re-established Trip's existence - if I had time to read them.[/quote]

This book certainly has Trip alive as an old man, but that's the only good thing about it, and there's no explanation as to how he's alive or why the Enterprise crew believed him dead - no credible explanation at any rate. I can't understand how the authors thought this story in any way served to put right Trip's alleged canon death. They'd have been far better doing what most fans do and accepting TATV as the TNG episode it was - a TNG where Starfleet apparently use badly written hack holonovels instead of historical records!

The storyline concentgrates on the supposed animosity between the Starfleet crew and the MACOs, and serves only to makie the MACOs loook like a set of gung ho idiots. There are plot holes and inconsistencies and at least one canon error - when Malcolm's eyes are referred to as being hazel.

And with two apparently experienced authors and an editor you'd think someone could have managed to remove the many stupid and clumsy unnecessary similies and other instances of 'purple prose'.

RE: Trip lives!!........SPOILERS

Q of the Continuum — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 03:04:51 GMT

[quote][b]Lekha (6/2/2006)[/b][hr]Maybe if he is still alive, this would explain why at the end of the show Malcolm and everybody else did not say anything. Maybe they knew that he was alive. It could be that they had some how done a 'The Watcher', deal or something.:hehe:[/quote]

True. We never saw his funeral either, Phlox may have used another clone to eventually save his life, but we never saw Trip at the signing of the Federation Charter. Well, I use the word 'Federation' loosley because it wasn't actually called the Federation in that point in time.:)

It would be interesting to see how the books have re-established Trip's existence - if I had time to read them.

RE: Trip lives!!........SPOILERS

Lekha — Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:44:02 GMT

Maybe if he is still alive, this would explain why at the end of the show Malcolm and everybody else did not say anything. Maybe they knew that he was alive. It could be that they had some how done a 'The Watcher', deal or something.:hehe:

RE: Trip lives!!........SPOILERS

DomCat — Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:18:13 GMT

Funny......they've just passed my house as well ;)

RE: Trip lives!!........SPOILERS

Q of the Continuum — Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:20:50 GMT

[quote][b]DomCat (6/2/2006)[/b][hr]Maybe we could get them to write an Enterprise movie based on the books......:)[/quote]

....and I've just seen a squadron of pigs just fly past my window with an Easyjet logo.:)

RE: Trip lives!!........SPOILERS

DomCat — Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:06:36 GMT

Maybe we could get them to write an Enterprise movie based on the books......:)

RE: Trip lives!!........SPOILERS

tripsmyguy — Wed, 31 May 2006 23:49:55 GMT

I love it! Nobody's buying that dreck (TATV)!!! :sick:

Apparently the publishers know more about giving the fanbase what it wants than the executive producers.

I'll continue to buy the Enterprise books!

RE: Trip lives!!........SPOILERS

Q of the Continuum — Wed, 31 May 2006 13:52:28 GMT

[quote][b]Bajor_Ron (5/31/2006)[/b][hr]Reinterpret TATV? Let us just take a big knife cut it from the Star Trek timeline (Q, to you the honour!:D) and just pretend it never happened. Trip Lives??? Of course he does, sillies, why wouldn't he?[/quote]

Oh believe me, if I had the ability to change history and erase TATV from it I would have done it along time ago. Unfortunatley, changing history is the other guys stick!

Anyway, I know Trip lives - I saw him over the weekend! LOL.:)

RE: Trip lives!!........SPOILERS

Bajor_Ron — Wed, 31 May 2006 10:40:04 GMT

Reinterpret TATV? Let us just take a big knife cut it from the Star Trek timeline (Q, to you the honour!:D) and just pretend it never happened. Trip Lives??? Of course he does, sillies, why wouldn't he?

Trip lives!!........SPOILERS

DomCat — Wed, 31 May 2006 03:40:12 GMT

The editors of the Pocket Book range of Star Trek novels were horrified by These Are The Voyages and by Trip's untimely death - so they've decided to reinterpret the events! This is a spoiler from their latest book Last Full Measure......

The framing scenes for the novel show Trip alive, well and advising on the design of Kirk's Enterprise 80 years later in 2238, aged 117, having let history believe him to be dead for some yet-to-be explained reason..........