InstantForum.NET v4.1.4GeckoTech/ISOMEDIA Forumshttp://geckoforums.isomedia.com/forums@geckotech.isomedia.comThu, 24 Jul 2008 22:52:25 GMT20http://geckoforums.isomedia.com/Topic10072-17-1.aspxI do agree with you on that they should of given him a chance to help or prove himself. What i'm would like to will that retrovirus mutate and change micheal. what do you think?:unsure:Sun, 03 Feb 2008 20:21:09 GMTJuliehttp://geckoforums.isomedia.com/Topic10072-17-1.aspxFirst off, I'm not a SGA fan - tried it, thought it dull, boring and wooden with basically only one plotline, and not a patch on Star Trek. Connor's episodes are the only ones I've seen.</P><P>What I liked about the episode Michael was the moral dilemma - something to make the audience think with no clear-cut good guys. I can see why Humanity is fighting the Wraith, but I did find the 'holier than thou' assumption that Humanity is necessarily always in the right in No Man's Land and Misbegotten very irksome. In many ways I thought these two episodes in some way undid the thought-provoking 'goodness' of Michael. And to be honest I'm rather surprised the SGA people were so keen to have Connor back for more considering how very clearly he outshone the regular cast.</P><P>That said, I'll just point out that we have no proof that Michael and the others are dead. The Humans were having difficulty firing the Hiveship weapons accurately and whoever it was actually firing the weapons made a comment that he thought they'd hit the target, but he wasn't sure. And as far as I can tell, no one actually went to check. From where I'm sitting there's still plenty of scope for Michael to return. Maybe this time he'll to the sensible thing and kick some Human ***!Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:40:01 GMTHreodhttp://geckoforums.isomedia.com/Topic10072-17-1.aspx[quote][b]wombat (7/31/2006)[/b][hr]<P>Wasn't he great though - what fantastic contrast he brought to the two versions of Michael and what a seriously attractive wraith he makes!</P><P>I agree maxi that Michael showed more soul and acted more human than the SGA people - but that is because (IMHO) those SGA people cannot act!!! :D[/quote]<P>Oh, yes absolutely correct, he was outstanding ! I've thought about the acting skills and watched again, and yes it is just Connor who give life to "Michael", the other "SGA" actors are not in his league, IMHO at least.Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:27:32 GMTmaxihttp://geckoforums.isomedia.com/Topic10072-17-1.aspxWell, i HAVE SEEN THEM.........and i did not have to wait for years as normal.<br><br>I was away at the weekend and when i got back there was a disc waiting for me from a wonderful, lovely, sweet ,[even though i have never met him] honey of a man called Tom.<br><br>TMG will know who i am on about.<br><br>This was so out of the blue, it was a beautiful moment in my otherwise dull life. I will go on another forum thing and thank him from the bottom of my heart.<br><br>What did i think.............I must say it is a bit sad when the guest actors are better than the regular cast. I never saw Allies so was a bit in the dark and confused at the start, but soon got into it. Poor Micheal.......why did they not keep him on Atlantis like before, but be a bit more careful, they could have explained what he was and how the other Wraiths had rejected him and that they would 'look after him'. If he did become a regular i do not think he would lose the edgeyness because he would know what he was at that he did not belong anywhere, and if he wanted to live it would have to be with the humans.<br><br>Or am i just saying this cos i want to see him every week on the box again. !Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:30:51 GMTparisamourhttp://geckoforums.isomedia.com/Topic10072-17-1.aspxI watched it over the weekend - nowhere near as good as No Man's Land and the ending was less than satisfactory but I too cannot see that there was any other solution than wiping out everyone who was on that planet and had knowledge of Atlantis. And I guess if any had survived they would have been picked up by the wraith ship and we would have had Connor back in the next episode!! </P><P>Wasn't he great though - what fantastic contrast he brought to the two versions of Michael and what a seriously attractive wraith he makes!</P><P>I agree maxi that Michael showed more soul and acted more human than the SGA people - but that is because (IMHO) those SGA people cannot act!!! :DMon, 31 Jul 2006 03:54:38 GMTwombathttp://geckoforums.isomedia.com/Topic10072-17-1.aspxI've watched misbegotten. I agree that Michael didn't deserve to be treated that way. I feel sad for him. <P>On one hand, I was angry at first, but I admit I have no solution for the dilemma. He knows a lot of security details (location of earth etc.) and it is dangerous when he is allowed to leave, maybe even deadly to human kind !</P><P>But maybe in this story they should have taken that risc out of respect for him, considering what they have put him through. He had the potential to surprise them. He seemed to have a soul, he was and acted more human to me than the SGA people. </P><P>They didn't have the right to force him again. That was unethical, they didn't even try to find a solution for Michael, they gave him the retrovirus, they were responsible for what happened to him, the violation of his body, of his mind, and in the end the rejection of his own kind. </P><P>I miss the humanity, the sense of guilt for doing this to him. As I said, I understand that there is no easy solution but killing him, if he was killed, that leaves a bad taste..Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:35:24 GMTmaxihttp://geckoforums.isomedia.com/Topic10072-17-1.aspx[quote][b]JPrestig (7/27/2006)[/b]Did anyone notice that Connors appearance as Michael Kenmore the wraith in the season 2 episode entitled- Allies-- was quiute different from his appearance as Michael the wraith in the season 3 episodes- Misbegotten and No Mans Land? The reason for these differences in appearance was because Brent Strait, and not Connor played Michael Kenmore the Wraith in the episode Allies- Connor supplied the voice, however. [/quote]<P>Actually, yes, we discussed that over in the original Atlantis thread. ;)</P><P>[quote]After seeing SG Atlantis episode Miss Begotten- I really do not like the members of SG Atlantis any more. [/quote]</P><P>How long have you been watching SGA? Have you seen any episodes besides the ones that CT is in? I'm curious how one episode could have that effect on you...</P><P>[quote]MIchael was the hero of the episode No Mans Land. He is the reason- why the Wraith ships were stopped form reaching Earth.[/quote]</P><P>I would agree that Michael helped a lot, but I don't think he was the only hero. He did suggest that Colonel Sheppard target the hyperdrive, but Sheppard had already figured that out for himself. Major Lorne firing the drones from the Orion was what finally destroyed the one Hive ship, and Michael didn't have anything to do with that, though he did certainly help them disable the remaining Hive ship.</P><P>[quote]He is the reason why Col Shepard, Ronin, McKay and every on the Daedelis - is still alive. [/quote]</P><P>Michael was definitely a big help in getting Sheppard, Ronon, and Dr. McKay off the Hive ship where they were held prisoner. He did bring up using the retrovirus gas on the other Hive, but I'm pretty sure the SGA team could have come up with that one on their own as well.</P><P>[quote] He even drove the dam wraith ship back for Col Shepard - and how do they repay his incredibly human deed- [/quote]</P><P>What else was Michael going to do? He already knew that he wasn't welcome in the Hive and he wanted to go to Atlantis. He had no reason to refuse to pilot the ship. He wasn't doing Sheppard a favor as much as he was furthering his own interests.</P><P>[quote] They throw him in his old room in Atlantis under lock and key.!! [/quote]</P><P>Let's see. Michael's a Wraith. Let's ignore the fact that he's an enemy soldier and already knows too much about your home base. Wraiths like to feed on humans. Would you really let him wander around your home unguarded? I hope not.</P><P>[quote]Man Was I MAD! All he asked for was a ship and supplies to leave- since he didnt fit it anywhere- (I wanted to cry- when he said this to Teyla)- [/quote]</P><P>Again, let's ignore the fact that Michael's an enemy soldier. Do they really have a spare puddle-jumper to give him? The SGC doesn't build those ships - they were left from the Ancients and when they're gone, they're gone. This isn't "Relics" on TNG and it's not Picard giving Scotty his own pod that can be replaced at any convenient starbase. Supplies, those might be negligible, but if they let Michael go, isn't he going to need to feed at some point? So then, what they've done is freed a known serial killer. Yes, it was a bit of angst, but couldn't this be another source of the title of the episode? Isn't Michael in a bit of a "No Man's Land"? </P><P>[quote] Then instead of trusting him with the knowledge that atlantis still exists-[/quote]</P><P>Where's Malcolm Reed when I need him to explain these things?? ;) You don't don't don't trust the enemy with your secrets. The information may have already spread to other Hive ships, but the SGA team doesn't need to help it along any more than they already have.</P><P>[quote]Ronin, acting like a neanderthal shoots him in the chest [/quote]</P><P>First of all, Ronon would have been under orders to do that. Second of all, it was safer for all concerned to stun Michael rather than have someone try to pin him down and possibly get fed upon.</P><P>[quote]and Br Becket then shoots him up with the retro virus- against his will- [/quote]</P><P>Which is exactly why he's so pissed at Dr. Beckett later on.</P><P>[quote]They then proceed to dump him on that planet with the rest of the wraith/humans. [/quote]</P><P>The SGA team learned their lesson on this one, didn't they? They got into trouble in the first place by letting Human!Michael wake up on Atlantis and they weren't going to do *that* again. </P><P>[quote]The Atlantians- Col Shepard, Roin, Teyla, - showed no moral fiber at all- and they are worse than the wraith in many ways.[/quote] </P><P>Really? No moral fiber at all? I'm not sure you and I are watching the same show. Why did Sheppard bother to try to do any damage to the Hive ship with his itsy bitsy 302? Why did Ronon and McKay try to sabotage the Hive ship from the inside? Why did Sheppard insist that Michael help him find Ronon and McKay before escaping? (and that's all before they got back to Atlantis). Teyla has questioned the "Michael experiment" from the beginning, but supports her teammates' decisions. She has actually tried to remain Michael's friend when no one else was interested in doing so. The SGA team is rightly focused on keeping the Wraith from finding Earth, and maybe they make some mistakes along the way, but that is not an indication of a lack of moral fiber. </P><P>[quote] They ultimately repayed Micahel back by nuking the camp they had dumped him on. [/quote] </P><P>That was the fail-safe. That means it was their last ditch effort - last remaining option - only thing left to do - to keep those Wraith from leaving the planet, which would have freed *more* serial killers.</P><P>[quote]At least the wraith kill to eat and thus survive- as animals in the wild have to.[/quote] </P><P>Yes, but animals in the wild are not feeding on humans, nor are they capable of flying a ship and bringing all their relatives to a buffet that's galaxies away. </P><P>[quote]The Atlantians basically murdered a bunch of wraith/human hybrids -.just so they would keep a secret.[/quote]</P><P>And the Wraith murder humans just because they're hungry. Who's in the wrong? Both? Neither? Gee, there's an interesting story. Someone should write a tv show about that. ;)</P><P>[quote]If Michael was as bad as these Atlantians- he would have let the wraith kill Col Shepard and let the ships continue on to Earth- to do some eating.[/quote]</P><P>Again, stopping the Hive ships wasn't all Michael's doing. He couldn't go back to the Hive and he was hoping for an alternative to striking out on his own.</P><P>There are no easy answers about what's been done to/with Michael. That's what makes it an interesting story and good drama. As I've said elsewhere, if the writers had the SGA team asked Michael for forgiveness and accepted them as one of their own, the conflict would be gone and so would the drama. </P><P>wollemThu, 27 Jul 2006 23:24:45 GMTwollemhttp://geckoforums.isomedia.com/Topic10072-17-1.aspxHi y'all! Just dropping for one of my rare posts - don't post much, but sure do lurk! :)<P>Anyways... [b]JP[/b], I think I agree with you. The Atlanteans betrayed Michael when they injected him with the retrovirus - for the [b]second[/b] time! :crying: They had a chance to make an ally of a wraith - after all, as you said, he did save their butts by piloting the wraith ship back to Atlantis for them. And they screwed up! Well, in my opinion, anyway. And, personally, I haven't much cared for Ronan since he first came to the show. :unsure:<P>It was nice, though, to see human!Michael again. :kiss: Although Wriath!Michael wasn't bad to look at, either.Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:06:39 GMTjgchttp://geckoforums.isomedia.com/Topic10072-17-1.aspxStill playing catch up here, only on Season 1. But when I get there i'll tell ya. So far SGA seems kewl!!! Can't wait till the episodes with CT, heard he really pulled a good performance!!Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:28:39 GMTgtredx69http://geckoforums.isomedia.com/Topic10072-17-1.aspxThanks to all of you for welcoming me to the message board</P><P>Did anyone notice that Connors appearance as Michael Kenmore the wraith in the season 2 episode entitled- Allies-- was quiute different from his appearance as Michael the wraith in the season 3 episodes- Misbegotten and No Mans Land?</P><P>The reason for these differences in appearance was because Brent Strait, and not Connor played Michael Kenmore the Wraith in the episode Allies- Connor supplied the voice, however.</P><P> After seeing SG Atlantis episode Miss Begotten- I really do not like the members of SG Atlantis any more. MIchael was the hero of the episode No Mans Land. He is the reason- why the Wraith ships were stopped form reaching Earth. He is the reason why Col Shepard, Ronin, McKay and every on the Daedelis - is still alive . He even drove the dam wraith ship back for Col Shepard- and how do they repay his incredibly human deed- They throw him in his old room in Atlantis under lock and key.!! Man Was I MAD! All he asked for was a ship and supplies to leave- since he didnt fit it anywhere- (I wanted to cry- when he said this to Teyla)- Then instead of trusting him with the knowledge that atlantis still exists- Ronin, acting like a neanderthal shoots him in the chest and Br Becket then shoots him up with the retro virus- against his will- They then proceed to dump him on that planet with the rest of the wraith/humans. </P><P>The Atlantians- Col Shepard, Roin, Teyla, - showed no moral fiber at all- and they are worse than the wraith in many ways. They ultimately repayed Micahel back by nuking the camp they had dumped him on. At least the wraith kill to eat and thus survive- as animals in the wild have to . The Atlantians basically murdered a bunch of wraith/human hybrids -.just so they would keep a secret.</P><P>If Michael was as bad as these Atlantians- he would have let the wraith kill Col Shepard and let the ships continue on to Earth- to do some eating.</P><P>Any opinions?</P><P>JPrestigThu, 27 Jul 2006 03:20:16 GMTJPrestig